Poe’s Law for J W Horne?

As I perused J W Horne’s third blog (now removed), I’m thinking that the entire blog is probably an implementation of Poe’s Law. But I’ll go ahead and take the bait. Poe’s Law states:

Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won’t mistake for the real thing.

Horne has created 3 differing blogs over the last couple of weeks. Each blog consists of only one post containing one paragraph only. The first blog was entitled “Kieffe & Sons Ford” and consisted of the one long rambling paragraph, in which he apparently was trying (albeit unsuccessfully) to respond to my posts over here.

When people responded to his posts, pointing out his hypocrisy, he removed the first blog as well as all of the comments responding to his posts. He also created a new, renamed blog. It looks like Kieffe & Sons Ford seemed pretty unhappy with Horne’s “defense” of the radio ad, ergo, the new name. In the comments to the Blogs o’ One Post, he gave out his buisness address and personal phone number for anyone on the Internet to see.

Now, that people have apparently been calling him and giving him a piece of their minds, he seems rather surprised people would call him. I don’t advocate people calling and harassing anyone. He has every right to express his opinion no matter how hypocritical and bigoted. The lack of common sense in posting a phone number on the Internet is really mind boggling. He has now taken down that blog and created a new one. Again, with one post, though this time he finally uses paragraphs. Here are a few excerpts with my comments:

Because some of you respondents have crossed the line, I will issue this word of warning. Any attempt to be destructive, abusive or intimidating will not be tolerated. I have already reported some of you to the proper authorities. They have informed me that two have been identified and are now on a watch list. If you think you can hide behind the proxy servers and remain invisible and completely anonymous, you are mistaken.

Ooohhh, scary. What “watch list”? Blogger has checked on a couple of IP addresses for him? Well, I for one, have only visited his site, but have left no comments as there is really nothing to reply to. As for what Blogger can do, they could be easily defeated by using FireFox with TOR onion anonymous routing, and a throwaway email account from DodgeIt.

Now all the details:
I wanted to get the attention of the 86 percent of Americans who say they believe in God. That includes Jewish Americans, Muslim Americans and Christians. I wanted to gauge their response. The ones who chose to be a part of the 14 percent spoke first. Calls were loud, vulgar and profane. After a few days, the believers started to contact the client. The positive calls and emails were far greater in number than the loud obnoxious ones. The majority woke up and responded. Included among them were the TV stations, the radio stations, other automobile dealers and people from all walks of life. I wrote the ad and produced it to get the attention of the believers. It is as simple as that.

J W Horne, you stated in the ad that 86% of Americans were Christians, who believe in God, and those are the people who are allowed to state their opinions in your perfect, Christian America. All others need to “sit down and shut up”. Well, you are incorrect in your figures. It’s closer to 73% identify as Christian, and about 10% identify as atheist or agnostic, with the remaining identifying as Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, New Age, etc.

As far as pissed off callers, I simply placed your words for all to hear. You refer to a minority as if we are second class citizens and placed your phone number on your blog, and now act surprised that you received a lot of calls? Poor, oppressed baby.

It worked and the atheists helped. Thanks.

Oh and you’re welcome, though your customers may have an increase in their fundy customers, it may not be so easy to get new customers outside of your Christian buisness directory.

PS. My relationship with the dealership is as strong as ever. Be sure to be listening for more ads

Go ahead, it will be fun to do this all over again. But I think that your customers may eventually get a bit gun shy from the excitement.

Even though I posted a reply here to Horne, I suspect his blog may possibly be a Poe. Could someone in professional media really be this bad at conveying information?

Update:

It appears that JW’s latest blog has been taken down as well. It seems that he does not stand behind his words. Now just who is afraid to let their words stand on their own?

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The Hypocrisy Continues, Notpology Moved, Ad Continues

It looks like the Kieffe & Sons Ford radio ad is continuing according to several people that I’ve heard from.

The local Bakersfield station quotes Rick Kieffe:

Rick Kieffe, owner of Kieffe and Sons Ford, said he doesn’t regret running the ad, which aired on radio stations in eastern Kern County and the Antelope Valley, but he does apologize for offending anyone.

So he wants to keep running an ad that drives away potential customers by insulting and calling them second class citizens. Real good buisness sense there, buddy. First, Placing an apology on your website which has been removed as of today, then continuing to play the ad, really shows that you like to talk out of both sides of your ass. Typical used car salesman.

But I guess he’s “technically” not lying. He just like to piss off potential customers. As for caring not to offend people, why air an ad that says he does not care who he offends? Just so much hypocrisy and weaseling out. Well I know one car dealership I will never shop at. Since I’ll never get a straight story about the ad, why think that I could ever get the truth about a car?

Update:
It looks like the notpology has been moved to their contacts page instead of being removed altogether.

This statement is provided in response to reaction prompted by a radio commercial that Kieffe & Sons Ford recently ran referring to issues of God in our schools and on our money.

“For 15 years, Kieffe and Sons Ford has run ad campaigns that focus on current events. We have chosen to do this rather than presenting typical car sales ads. We do this through an agency that develops the material and sends us a package of commercials to review. From this, we select commercials that we distribute to area radio stations. Frequently we emphasize humor and patriotic themes, as we are located adjacent to two military bases. Public response over these 15 years has been hugely positive, often eliciting calls and visits from appreciative individuals. Regrettably, the commercial that has prompted the current objection to religious sentiment (“Under God”, “In God We Trust”) was not closely reviewed by our dealership before it went live. The commercial has been replaced. We apologize to all who were offended. It is Kieffe and Sons’ intention to support America and the freedoms that make this country great.”

Rick Kieffe, President

It looks like Rick Kieffe is completely missing the point of the ruckus over the ad. The reason most people, including myself, were pissed is the “sit down and shutup” for nonbelievers in the ad. I think he is deliberately being obtuse.

News Spreads all the way to England

It’s nice seeing how far this has spread. According to The Telegraph:

Car dealership advert tells atheists to ‘shut up’
By Matthew Moore

An advert calling for non-Christians to “sit down and shut up” is being used to sell Ford cars in the United States.

The radio commercial – which attacks people who call for the secularisation of American institutions – has been aired to promote an independent Ford dealership in California.

America’s non-Christian minority of 14 per cent should have its views on issues like prayer in schools and the religious content of the Pledge of Allegiance ignored, the advert claims.

“I guess maybe I just offended 14 per cent of the people who are listening to this message,” the voiceover continues.

“Well, if that is the case, then I say that’s tough, this is America folks, it’s called free speech. And none of us at Kieffe & Sons Ford are afraid to speak up.”

The bizarre commercial ends: “Kieffe & Sons Ford on Sierra Highway in Mojave and Rosamond… If we don’t see you today, by the grace of God, we’ll be here tomorrow.”

The advert, which makes no mention of the quality or price of the dealership’s cars, has been broadcast on local radio stations in the south of the state since February.

Listeners who contacted Ford to complain were told that the dealership was independent and privately owned, and is responsible for its own advertising. There is no suggestion that Ford approved the content of the advert.

Anna Lemma, a blogger and former Air Force officer who was one of the first to raise concerns about the advert, described it as “quite possibly the most offensive advertisement for an automobile dealership that I have ever heard”.

“I really don’t care about what his [the owner of the dealership’s] opinion of us godless folks is, but the most offensive part of the ad is the ‘shut up and sit down’ part,” she said.

“I guess he doesn’t support first amendment rights for those who don’t agree with him.”

Notpology From Kieffe & Sons Ford

The local Bakersfield station quotes Rick Kieffe:

Rick Kieffe, owner of Kieffe and Sons Ford, said he doesn’t regret running the ad, which aired on radio stations in eastern Kern County and the Antelope Valley, but he does apologize for offending anyone.

Why did he issue the apology if he does not mean it? Doesn’t he have the courage of his convictions? Why be so cowardly? I guess he will do and say whatever he feels in order to make a sale.

Rick Kieffe said, “I do not regret it, it’s simply how we feel. We feel that one child shouldn’t keep the other 29 children in class from saying the pledge of allegiance. We feel it should say, In God We Trust should be on the money, and there’s these things where the majority feels one way but a smaller group tells them to sit down and shut up and that’s where the unfortunate language came into this ad. The sit down and shut up part kind of got by me.”

If he really feels this way, why apologize? Keep on saying what you believe, Rick Kieffe, you have every right to say it, just as I have every right to point out the hypocrisy and criticize the ad.

He is also missing the point. The current pledge is is now a prayer. Why single out school children who don’t want to or can’t say it? This is really all about enforcing community conformity and civic religion. These Christians don’t care if you don’t believe in Jesus, they just want you to pretend and outwardly show that you do in order to reinforce their own beliefs.

This past winter, our neighborhood had a potluck dinner like it always does. There has never been a prayer said before. One guy, who is always trying to show how pious he is decided to enforce a group, Christian, prayer. I, along with several others refused to bow my head. The host also refused to bow his head in support, and made a wisecrack to the group afterwards. Later, I overheard someone saying “Why don’t they just go along and pretend?”

Is this what Christianity’s founder wanted for his followers? That they go around enforcing compliance? Is this what Christianity is all about, all show and no substance? And those who don’t go along with it need to “shut up and sit down” so that Christians with flimsy faith can feel all comfortable in the delusion that everyone thinks and believes just like they do? If there is no one whose difference arouses questions and doubts, then those pesky questions and doubts can be safely ignored. Perhaps those Christians who scream the loudest about enforcing their religion are really the ones with the greatest doubts and the flimsiest faith.

Kieffe & Sons Ford Apologizes for Offending Nonbelievers

The Kieffe & Sons Ford Dealership has issued a public apology at their website.

“For 15 years, Kieffe and Sons Ford has run ad campaigns that focus on current events. We have chosen to do this rather than presenting typical car sales ads. We do this through an agency that develops the material and sends us a package of commercials to review. From this, we select commercials that we distribute to area radio stations. Frequently we emphasize humor and patriotic themes, as we are located adjacent to two military bases. Public response over these 15 years has been hugely positive, often eliciting calls and visits from appreciative individuals. Regrettably, the commercial that has prompted the current objection to religious sentiment (“Under God”, “In We Trust”) was not closely reviewed by our dealership before it went live. The commercial has been replaced. We apologize to all who were offended. It is Kieffe and Sons’ intention to support America and the freedoms that make this country great.”

Rick Kieffe, President

Perhaps they will review the ads that they pay for in the future. They ended up with a lot of egg on their faces this time. I emailed them weeks ago about how the ad was offensive to nonbelievers, especially atheists. The portion of the ad that offended me was the “shut up and sit down” portion. The arrogance and condescension I can put up with, but not being told to give up my right to free speech.

If I were them, I definitely would screen future ads. There is a person calling himself J W Horne who claims to have made the ad. He seems to be cluelessly making himself look like an ass, both here and on his blog.

The Bakersfield Californian has the story as well.

A radio ad that tells non-Christians to “sit down and shut up” has prompted a flood of phone calls to the Kern County car dealer who paid for the ads and now regrets airing them.

Rick Kieffe, owner of Kieffe and Sons Ford in Mojave and Rosamond, insisted Wednesday that he does not remember approving the ad, which he said was written by his longtime advertising writer and producer in Oklahoma.

“It’s just something that went by us,” said Kieffe, who does not attend church but considers himself “a Christian spirit.” “We’re obviously sorry that it offends a given segment who identifies themselves as atheist.”

Airing on local AM and FM radio in eastern Kern County and the Antelope Valley, the ad has gained a lot of attention on the Internet, where blog posts go on and on about its pro-Christian, anti-atheist message.

Kieffe said he has received “an incredible amount” of calls from people as far away as Australia and England, most but not all of them from “very articulate, nice people.”

Way to go everyone.

Kieffe and Sons has contracted the same Oklahoma ad producer for 12 to 15 years, Kieffe said. Most of the ads are humorous but a minority are patriotic, “flag-waving” messages that don’t necessarily push car sales, he said.

The dealership also advertises on television and in print, although the ad in question was limited to radio.

I wouldn’t call an ad that told 14% of the population to “sit down and shut up” very patriotic. The ad is also discussed over at Way of the Woo.